UI/UX: Clearer implementation of virtual gearing. Not clear how the current version works and if/how it can be turned off.
Not clear how virtual gearing settings work. Would be great to be able to turn on or off.
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Gábor Ziegler commented
Current virtual gearing configuration is very confusing. I, as a TPV user with a single-gear bicycle (i.e., smart-trainer with 14T Zwift-Cog installed), wish to be able to configure the virtual gearing in clear and intuitive way to be able to mimic my real-world personal bike mounted on my trainer.
For example, as follows:
- smallest gear ratio. Possibly via two parameters: virtual teeth number for smallest front-chainweel / virtual teeth number for biggest rear sprocket, e.g., as " [ 34T ] / [ 36T ] = [ 0.94 ]" gear ratio
- biggest gear ratio. Possibly via two parameters: virtual teeth number for biggest front-chainweel / virtual teeth number for smallest rear sprocket, e.g., as " [ 50T ] / [ 11T ] = [ 4.55 ]" gear ratio
- number of "speeds" spanning the gear-ratio range, e.g., 1x10=10, or 2x11=22Another alternative would be the ability to a provide comma-separated list of teeth for the rear cassette and provide comma-separated list of teeth of the front crankset and let TPV automatically compute the simulated gear-ratios
The aim would be to mimic the shifting experience of a real bike.
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Dan Carson commented
Agree 100%
Can we please have Virtual Gears modelled on real life options. The big Z has this and is great to replicate IRL.
IE - SRAM style 12 speed
Shimano style 11/12 speedUse the most common shipped version of each brand for road as a starter.
Major miss for TPV. This platform is the best at replicating IRL but having to constantly shift to get any idea what gear you are in kills that.
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Mike Ludwig commented
Part 1 - Please allow the user to more accurately model the virtual gear combinations they actually ride outdoors. I have no idea what measure of change to expect when shifting virtual gears, causing me to do multiple shifts. Please present a line in the "number of gears" selection page that lists the range of equivalent gear-inches for a user-selected wheel-tire size (i.e. 700c, 29er, etc). I could then select or enter my front and rear teeth to get a desired gear-inch range. Let me ride (or nearly) what I ride outside.
Part 2 - Provide some sensory feedback that a gear change has been made - insert a step function in the gear change as opposed to a continuously variable transition, so I can actually feel and tell that a gear change has been made. -
Tim Vale commented
I use my iPhone for TPV and mirror the screen to a large tv. This works well for me and is quick and easy to set up.
I like the virtual gearing concept but find that the small iPhone screen makes it hard to quickly and reliably change gears either up or down. Having a dedicated + and - virtual gear button on either side of the central hud would be great for a touchscreen set up. This possibly could be configured in the ui settings.
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Barry Gaunt commented
"It should be easy and straightforward" said with a wave of the hand... :)
Perhaps it would be enough as a start to just emulate a change in chainring size? So if one had a physical chainring of 34t, say, a virtual shift range of 20t(2t)48t could be emulated. Would be easier than trying to emulate all the different cassette capacities (no. of cogs) and their size ranges (11t-28t, 10t-40t et.c).
(Not to speak of all the diffent wheel circumferences.)
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Andy
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I agree, it can take 10-20 seconds to change 6 virtual gears, this is far too slow and makes racing practically impossible,. In a race I was in yesterday I went from 90 rpm to 40 rpm when we hit the hill and it took over 20 seconds to get to the lowest possible virtual gears, by this time I was dropped
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Jarvis
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Once data collection of physical gear to virtual gear is done, it opens up the opportunity for "auto calibration" regardless of which physical gear you are in. It can create the model of what flat road should be and therefore when someone is spinning at the start before an event or right at the start it can compare that to the flat model generated and change the multiplier such that the rider resistance, and power matches the model. This auto calibration and take it effect each time there is a "flat" section
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Jarvis
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Love virtual gear and had some discussion on this before and it generally works. However, the realism of virtual gear doesn't correlate to real gear shifting, for example in real gear I can do one shift (which might jump one or two teeth in a cog), but in virtual gear I might need to +/-3 (or more) to get similar resistance. Hence for pacing or TT, current virtual gear is ok but in a sprint, I still need to resort to physical gears so I can do a gear dump.
Can we do a better modeling of the gears so each +/- 1 virtual gear feels closer to a physical gear? In theory it is a lot of just data collection of someone riding around the velodrome with no wind and recording the power at a set speed and cadence at a specific physical gear then find the equivalent virtual gear that generate the same power at the same speed and cadence.
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Marc
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Maybe TPV can do this today, but the set-up gearing is confusing to me. All I want to do is exactly emulate my Shimano GRX gearing. It should be easy and straightforward. Help me, please