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    Loonican commented  · 

    I am kind of surprised that TrainingPeaks does not have this especially if they have it for biking, it should then not be that hard to add Peaks for running. Honestly for me with running in mountainous terrain all the time, using peaks for pace is horrible, obviously going down hills are always going to give very fast speeds which I would never be able to do if it was flat or at least partly normal, heartbeat would be the next best, but that has it’s delays and other issues as well. So using peaks pace is no good for the terrain I run, train, and race in. It really is useless unless power is used, because power stays the same whether it is all up hill or not or all down hill or both … it truthfully tells you if it is truly a peak or not and is not subjected to a better course or not better course … it makes all courses equal and measurable. The only way that peaks would work for me if I was looking at pace is if you compare to another run that is exact course and distance. Which I do not ever do. I truly hope TrainingPeaks would consider this because I am sure I am not the only one, there is not a flat area I train in a fifty mile radius where it is flat for more than 3/4 of a mile. For example I went on a long run from my house on an out and back run of 10 miles and the elevation gain was 1,300+ feet. During that down hill part of that run I got a peak of a 5K at 22:05 minutes and I felt it was an easy exertion. By the way, the 22:05 is only a minute and a half slower than me running an all out 5K race on a flat course. But if I look at my power during that down hill 5K part it tells me that I am going at 80% of my power FTP which is exactly what it felt like, not the 100+% of my FTP that my pace peak was at. This is totally acknowledged in the world of racing … could you imagine the New York Marathon being run in the mountains and it was all down hill. The world would not recognize it as a world record because it gives a false reading of what that person could actually do in normal terrain unless all people in the world run that exact same course. The peak for that marathon according to TrainingPeaks would be easily under the 2 hour mark, which we know is not even possible yet in any legit marathon course. That is why power needs to be in Peaks in running so it honestly reports your true peaks! So what I am saying is pace Peaks flatters people who run in my type of terrain (tells someone they are faster than what they are when going down hill) or slanders them (tells someone they are slower than what they are when going up hill). I don’t think this is what TrainingPeaks wants to do for its customers - discouraging. Thus let’s get run power up and going since it is within your capability and power so Peaks can be good for all runners no matter what their terrain and not catering to those who live in “ideal” running terrain:-)

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    Loonican commented  · 

    Yes this would be very optimal and profitable for me as a paid athlete, as I use the same workouts leading up to my three different length races that I do every year:-) I have thought this through and would like TrainingPeaks to rethink this through also. As mentioned in another similar question the Product Manager of TrainingPeaks stated, I quote "This is a feature available to coached. Currently there are no plans to add this functionality to an athlete account." What I learn from that is that TrainingPeaks has the ability to do so but have chosen to not make it available for athlete accounts. Now I don't know what the actual reasons are, it could be as simple as there are other things on their plate that they are thinking about and trying to provide for their customers? or maybe if it was offered to non-Coached accounts it could possibly be abused some how? Or maybe they want to reserve some better features for those who pay more money per month? Or maybe they think since it has to do with coaching then let this feature be for coaches in Coaching Account only? So I don't know for what reason but there obviously is a reason, if it happens to be the first two I mentioned then to me that is not a good reason. If it happens to be the last two reasons then I want you to rethink your decision based on that decision and bring it into a real world scenario: Let's take one of your most popular training-plan coaches on TrainingPeaks, Matt and Dave with 80/20 endurance, they are coaches and they have their athletes pay for their coaching services, which is all good and right. But lets' say Matt and Dave want to coach themselves do they pay for their own coaching fee? Does a coach at some highschool or college or Jeff Galloway? Certainly not, why? because they are couching themselves. Case in point - Should TrainingPeaks make this already available feature of a coach creating their own training-plans to be used by their athletes they are coaching on their paid TrainingPeaks Couch Account now be available to an athlete who wants to coach himself and make his own training-plans on his own paid TrainingPeaks Athlete Account? My answer 3 votes for Yes! You say, "Why?" Because that is the way it is in the real world and we know that TrainingPeaks is for athletes to help them and encourage them in any way they can to succeed and be the best that they can be. Please remember your roots, all coaches were athletes who were coached or coached themselves before they became coaches. It would sure be nice to have this feature also available to paying athletes who could use your help and encouragement and make things easier for them so they can spend more time doing what they were born to do - like run!